Category talk:Covers and illustrations

Dividing this category into subcategories

There are currently 1397 articles in this category and 4 subcategories. The contents are widely diverse, though mostly it is article about covers first published in Fantomen. I feel that it might be necessary to divide this category into subcategories, otherwise it will be flooded with thousands of articles. One possibility is to divide it by country, another by publisher. Do anyone have any thoughts on the subject? Karl MAN 14:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I would say country, then publication. That would still mean a potential ~1500 articles about Fantomen covers, but I have been considering subcategories by decade for Fantomen issues, maybe the same could be used for cover and illustration articles? Andreas 14:53, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I think Andreas' suggestion is a good one, with decades as subcategories. --MiGi 15:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Then we will get the subcategory Category:Swedish covers and illustrations, which in turn has the subcategory Category:Fantomen covers and illustrations? This category must then not be confused with the existing Category:Fantomen Covers which contains cover images. Also, there are some illustrations that are associated with Fantomen, such as the Bengali Map.

If we sort by publications, it seems logical to only include covers, which would make it unnecessary to include "illustrations" in the name. The question is how for example the inside covers will be sorted and the different publishing posters will be sorted.

Then there is the thing that some covers have been published in many different countries, but I suppose that we simply use their names and sort them in the country in which it was published first.

I am open to suggestions, but I think that we have to determine what we are going to do before we start putting these articles in new categories, otherwise we might have to do it all over again. Karl MAN 15:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

In hindsight, it might have been better if Category:Fantomen Covers had been named Fantomen Cover images instead. But if we can think of a good way to name the new category/ies, maybe we can keep the old ones as they are.

The cover articles should be sorted after the first publication, the whole idea behind them was to create only one article per cover image, regardless of how many times it has been reprinted. So for example, there will not be a category called Hungarian covers, because all covers published in Hungary were first produced for the Swedish Fantomen. Andreas 18:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

In the case of Swedish covers, we could have a Category:Swedish covers and illustrations aqnd then subcategories [[::Category:Fantomen 1950-1959 cover articles|Category:Fantomen 1950's covers]] or [[::Category:Fantomen 1950-1959 cover articles|Category:Fantomen 1950-1959 covers]] and so on. Other art could to start with be sorted in the Swedish category. There is also an idea to name the subcategories "cover articles", then we keep "covers" for the images. Karl MAN 11:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

After some pondering, I vote that we create Category:Swedish covers and illustrations, Category:Fantomen 1950-1959 cover articles, Category:Fantomen 1960-1969 cover articles, Category:Fantomen 1970-1979 cover articles, Category:Fantomen 1980-1989 cover articles, Category:Fantomen 1990-1999 cover articles, Category:Fantomen 2000-2009 cover articles, Category:Fantomen 2010-2019 cover articles, Category:Fantomen Krönika cover articles, and Category:Fantomen Christmas Album cover articles and then make the appropriate sorting of them. Swedish covers and illustrations that do not fit into any specific category should be put in the general Swedish covers and illustrations until we made up our minds if they need a category of their own, there won't be so many of each kind so they will be quite easy to put into a specific category (unlike the Fantomen categories).

Exactly how we will do with other categories could we continue to discuss, but the current major problem are the Swedish covers. Could we agree to go with my proposal of what to do with the Swedish cover articles? Karl MAN 09:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

If no-one objects to my above proposal within a week, that is before 09:32, 17 February, I will go on with doing it. Karl MAN 15:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I have seen no objections towards my proposal and will hence start creating the categories and make the transfer of the articles. Karl MAN 13:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I have now created each Fantomen category and started to fill them, I am complete with the 1950s and the 1960s, but for the rest, I have only had the mental strength yet to add some of the covers, my estimates tell me that there are approximately 1094 (there were 1036 issues from 1970 until today with announced issues, then 10 cover articles in the 1950's and 48 in the 1960's) articles to transfer in total, of which I might have done 90. Anyone may do some of the transfer, I will not do all today. Karl MAN 14:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

The Swedish cover articles are done, now we have the rest to deal with. We clearly need at least Category:Norwegian covers and illustrations, Category:Italian covers and illustrations, Category:Australian covers and illustrations, and Category:American covers and illustrations (I have already created Category:Finnish covers and illustrations while dealing with the Swedish ones, Finnish original artwork is a very small category so I hope that no one took offense).

The Italian category (the following will only concern the Italian article) should , in my opinion, contain all the covers with French names as those usually are Fratelli Spada covers and thus have improper names. The real question is if we should create subcategories for the Italian covers, in accordance with their magazines articles, e.g. Category:I classici dell'avventura cover articles, Category:L'Uomo Mascherato (Fratelli Spada) cover articles (there were 535 issues here, though not everyone have a Phantom motif cover). Also we need to decide how to sort them and what names those with Italian names should have (those with French names will be renamed upon identification) capital letters and all, though I suspect that the latter is not so controversial.

My opinion is that as the cover articles are to be named after the first publication, the cover article name should simply be named by taking the name of the first publication and add "cover" at the end and than we got the name, all specifications in the issue articles needed to keep issues apart will be needed to keep their cover articles apart.

Concerning sorting, I am not entirely sure of how we will do. Karl MAN 14:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Creating a Norwegian category seems non-controversial to me, so I will do it since it is needed. Karl MAN 17:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)