PhantomWiki:Bandar Village
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Countries Template
I believe necessary to delete the name Martinique from the list of countries mentioned in the “Phantom publications by country” template, this island being not an independent country but a French overseas department located in the Caribbean Sea. Furthermore, at least to the best of my knowledge, any native Phantom comic-book has been published there. Alain03 12:57, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- There was something in newspapers. Delboj4 13:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I have also thought of that, but I'm still unable to identify such local newspapers. Somebody could help ? More largely, it however remains a logical matter: if the list ought to be devoted to countries, Martinique has not the same status as the other names...I suggest to omit it, at least until some concrete publishing information might be found. If so, and only then, we would have to cite namely Martinique, either in the French global list with a mention of "special local publication", either under its actual list location.Alain03 05:45, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- There is definitely a problem mentioned here; should only independent countries be listed here? There are several territories around the world that is under ther rule of som country, but have a little kind of independence. I know that the USA has several such territories, as have France and the UK and probably a few other countries. One example that I know of is Puerto Rico, which has a couple of millions of inabitants and has independent internal rule, but otherwise is part of the USA (they voted in 1993 to remain in their current status and not become the 51st State of America). Should such "countries" (or "territories") have a page of their own if they have published "The Phantom"? or should any publication be listed under the country to which it "belong"? Karl MAN 14:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
From what is rightly pointed out by Karl, I finally think that the concept of countries is not primordial and that territories having their own powers of autonomy might be listed too, at least when some local Phantom publication is identified. So, in a first time, only “real” countries would be cited within the global list, and in another time, this one could be completed with more "distant territories" when something specific is known to be published there. However, even in the latter case, would not it be useful to name the territories into some kind of brackets in order to distinguish them more clearly and show that we knew they are not similar than “ordinary countries”… ? What seems important is to not adding a flow of territories names when any local Phantom publication is really linked.Alain03 13:06, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- We could put the territories after the real countries in a smaller text like I have done here below with Martinique as a test. Karl MAN 16:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- On my PC the difference is hardly visible. I have added another way of showing 'dependencies' (if this is the way we want to categorize them). --MiGi 08:40, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
| Phantom publications by country | |
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| Europe | Belgium • Croatia • Czech Republic • Denmark • Estonia • Finland • France • Germany • Greece • Hungary • Italy • Netherlands • Norway • Poland • Portugal • Russia • Slovakia • Slovenia • Spain • Sweden • Turkey • United Kingdom • Yugoslavia |
| Americas | Argentina • Brazil • Canada • Chile • Colombia • Mexico • Panama • Uruguay • USA • Venezuela • Martinique |
| Americas version 2 | Argentina • Brazil • Canada • Chile • Colombia • Mexico • Panama • Uruguay • USA • Venezuela • Martinique (France) |
| Other | Angola • Australia • Egypt • Fiji • India • Indonesia • Israel • Kenya • Lebanon • New Zealand • Papua New Guinea • Philippines • Singapore • Thailand • Tunisia |
Update January 2011
To all: we tried to do an update of the MediaWiki software this weekend but ran into some trouble. We always have a backup of the wiki database stored, so we could restore the Wiki today. However, the last few updates were missing from the back up. This means that the historical 10,000th article is gone with other articles that need to be rewritten. Sorry for that, and a big thanks to all contributors who helped us actually reach 10,000 articles and hopefully will help us do it again (and this time for good!) /Andreas 14:21, 17 January 2011 (UTC) and Brian (administrator)
- I have to say I need more details. Are these articles now permanently lost? And if so, is it possible to have a list of which articles are concerned, that in case some of them might be however re-written or at least might received a new version? I am surprised that nobody has responded to this information… but maybe I don’t quite understand what the situation is, and that because of my only basic English? Thanks in advance for your reply Alain03 16:09, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- The only articles and changes that were lost were those who were created on January 14th. There is no list for the articles that could not be restored from the backup, however, I believe that most articles already have been written again by those who had created them.Andreas 16:42, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Edited stories
In Italia and Brazil some newspaper stories were edited and completely redrawn with new panels added by their local artists. In Italia Nebrini stories (some of them, I am not sure for all) were later redrawn with new panels by Fratelli Spada artists. One or two newspaper stories were remade in L'Avventuroso. However, do we need create separate list for these remake stories? Delboj4 12:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
- King Comics redrew some stories and those stories have their own articles. Example: Sunday story "Treasure of the Skull Cave" and King Comics story "The Treasure of the Skull Cave". Also, Team Fantomen has made remakes of old stories drawn by Moore and McCoy, they also have their separate articles. If what you are describing is of the magnitude of any of what I have described, then I believe that they should be given their own articles without hesitation, if this is a milder case, then perhaps further discussion is necessary. Karl MAN 17:17, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Hispano Americana
I've started add Spanish Hispano Americana issues http://www.schapter.org/wiki/Category:El_Hombre_Enmascarado_%28Hispano_Americana%29_issues
But I am not sure how we will add links for their other editions http://www.tebeosfera.com/buscador/el%20hombre%20enmascarado/
Maybe year publishing could be difference in links? Delboj4 12:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Creating a template for art that does not fit anywhere
There are some art that is neither a panel, nor is it a cover, at least not used as a cover at the image in question. Since it is some form of art, someone should be credited as people are credited in the panel and cover templates. A couple of examples:
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These images does NOT portray panels nor covers. I therefore propose that a new template should be created for such items. I might add that I at some of the images which might meet my criteria already have used one of the existing template, that is then needed to be corrected if you agree. Is there anyone against or for my proposal? Karl MAN 19:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
- I too think that there should be a category for 'odd' images like the ones you presented, e.g. 'Miscellaneous art' or 'Other art'.
Should we do a distinction between 'paper printed' (scanned) objects like your first three examples and 'non paper printed' (photographed) ones like your last example? --MiGi 11:14, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- Firstly, I have to point out that what I am asking for here is a TEMPLATE, not a category; there exists already categories in which these images fits: "Covers and illustrations" categories are very broad. If an exess of such images suddenly comes, there might be a need, but I don't really think that it ever will.
- Secondly, I think that one template for all other art is sufficient. Karl MAN 21:59, 26 January 2011 (CET)
- There has not been any further discussion here, but I have not met any negative response. If no negative response comes within the next week, I will create a new template, Template:MiscArt, for these images. Karl MAN 22:24, 17 February 2011 (CET)
OK, no reply, I take the silence as a yes and will start with the template. 213.115.244.54 13:12, 28 February 2011 (CET)
- I have now created a template and started to apply it, firstly at the examples given. I have inserted the template below. It might need some slight changes, but overall, i think it is good. Feel free to make changes if you think it is necessary. Karl MAN 13:30, 28 February 2011 (CET)
Template:MiscArt, something went wrong when I put it up, follow the link instead. Karl MAN 13:32, 28 February 2011 (CET)
New Special page
Have you ever wondered how many contributions your friends have made?
Who have made the most, the last seven days or the last thirty?
Now you have an answer to these questions on the new special page located under "Wiki data and tools" the Contribution scores
— [[User:Administrator]] ([[User talk:Username|<font size="1">talk</font>]]) 15:20, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- THat's a great tool, thanks for adding it, though I and many of the older editors have used several accounts while editing, so totally, we have done more than what is shown. I, for instance, have calculated that I have made another 10 085 edits at other accounts before the login problem was solved. I see no way that a contributor could get that credit added to the account that they are using now, however, I also note that it is only logged-in users that are shown any result. I previously to the time to sum up all the edits that I made with different accounts, putting the result at my personal page, and could therefore see that I have used several IP-addresses, but that I with five of them totally have done more than 7000 edits; some of those accounts would be at a top 10 all revisions list.
- I am not greedy for more credit, but I think it would be interesting to see the IP-addresses of those that edited without being logged-in, if it is possible. Because of the log-in problems that was experienced for some time, that might be good. Karl MAN 22:18, 26 January 2011 (CET)
- I am well aware of this problem, this is one of the reasons I wanted to do the update to MediaWiki 1.16.1
- With this version I can add an extension which enables me to merge users.
- I will do some testing and then report my results. After that we can discuss merging obsolete users with current.
- Administrator 09:08, 27 January 2011 (CET)
- I am well aware of this problem, this is one of the reasons I wanted to do the update to MediaWiki 1.16.1
- I have now tested to merge a couple of test users I made.
- Sadly the extension "merge user" can not achieve what I have hoped. It seems it is more a novel way to delete spammers then merge actual contributors with multiple usernames.
- How important is this? I can try to find a solution to "contributions made with several user names" if this is the wish of least a couple of contributors.
- If it´s not really important to the majority I will find a better use of my time :-).
- Administrator 16:14, 2 february 2011 (CET)
- I have now tested to merge a couple of test users I made.
- I have just learned that you can add the following to your user page if you so desire:
- Number of unique pages I have edited: {{#cscore:UserName|pages}}
- Substitute UserName with your username. You can make multiple lines if you have used more than one username
- For me it will look like this, Number of unique pages I have edited: 4,383
- Administrator 16:16, 17 february 2011 (CET)
- I have just learned that you can add the following to your user page if you so desire:
- Thanks, I will try this at once and see if I could add the different accounts edit into one. I will come back as soon as I have tried. Karl MAN 16:55, 17 February 2011 (CET)
- Apparently, It does not work do to so with IP-addresses, which means that I have no easy way of finding that out (The only way is to go to the contributions pages and go through in some cases more than 1,500 edits to see how many unique pages I edited, something I won't do.). I have, however some trouble in understanding exactly how the score is calculated.
- The information "Scores are calculated as follows:
- One (1) point for each unique page edited
- Square root of (total edits made) - (total unique pages) * 2"
- is hard to understand. I would prefer a formula showing how to use edits (e) and page edits (p). The only thing I really understand of the formula is that the score (s) is a number between p and e. Karl MAN 17:24, 17 February 2011 (CET)
- I'll add a genuine example: score: s=12, page edited: p=6, total edits: e=16. square root of 16 is 4, 4-6*2=4-12=-8. (16-6*2)=4, square root of 4 is 2. (16-6)*2=10*2=20, square root is between 4 and 5. I have no idea of how they got the score to 12. Please, what is the formula? Karl MAN 17:41, 17 February 2011 (CET)
- You get one point for each unique edited page PLUS the sum of that complicated calculation. In your example that would be 6 +((square root of (16-6))*2) = 6 + ((square root of 10) *2) = 6 + (3.16227766*2) = 6 + 6.32455532 = approx. 12 Andreas 21:07, 17 February 2011 (CET)
- Thanks! I think then that the second point should be written (Square root of (total edits made) - (total unique pages)) * 2 in order to make it more clear. Karl MAN 22:19, 17 February 2011 (CET)
Since it seems impossible to merge accounts, I have below started upon a Contributions table that will add those together manually and creating a minimum score and unique pages. It will have to be gradually updated though. Karl MAN 15:47, 2 March 2011 (CET)
- Now all figures are correct, then I make updates. What do you think, does it need an own page? Karl MAN 15:51, 2 March 2011 (CET)
- I have made the identifications based on name similarities below, if two user names does not represent the same user, please correct. Karl MAN 21:48, 2 March 2011 (CET)
Update to MediaWiki 1.16.1
Yesterday the update to the newest version of MediaWiki was done, this time without any problems.
With the update the new default skin of PhantomWiki is Vector, but with some small modifications to make it standout and be - in my opinion- more visual appealing and to give at a PhantomWiki touch.
There are two reasons to change the default to Vector, one is that it is the official skin of MediaWiki and Wikipedia, any changes and improvements will be done to this skin.
By using MediaWikis default skin I can implement these changes and improvements much easier than trying to copy them to another skin.
The second is by using Vector as default any visitor and user familiar with Wikipedia will feel right at home.
For these reasons I strongly encourage all users who now uses other skins to change there default skin to Vector.
Administrator 09:33, 27 January 2011 (CET)
- I have taken the liberty to delete all the old unused skins so not to encourage their use by someone new. The only skin remaining is the old default "bookjive" and the current default "vector".
- Administrator 16:36, 31 January 2011 (CET)
- I have taken the liberty to delete all the old unused skins so not to encourage their use by someone new. The only skin remaining is the old default "bookjive" and the current default "vector".
Dynamic/different template needed
When browsing the wiki something struck me as, well not optimal. If a person is alive and well the page states "Death: N/A"
That really gives the wrong impression.
I understand that the problem occurs because of the template. An elegant solution would be a dynamic template that doesn't show the row in question if it is not used.
Does anybody know if this can be done?
Administrator 16:45, 31 January 2011 (CET)
- I have taken a look at Template:Issuebox, where the lowest row disappears if it is left empty. After some thinking, I have the suspicion that it is caused by the fact that there is no extra stuff added there automatically like at the other places. Due to that, i conclude that it probably cannot be made to disappear. There might, however, be another solution in writing "not yet" instead of N/A, I personally don't really know what N/A stays for, but I get the intended meaning. Karl MAN 13:19, 11 March 2011 (CET)
Donations
I have included a donate button in the left sidebar for those who want to contribute money for the cost of the wiki.
The Scandinavian Chapter will pay all costs involved with PhantomWiki but any and all help with this is welcome.
Administrator 16:33, 17 February 2011 (CET)
Flag of Spain
In all articles should be corrected Spanish flags based on [1] Delboj4 13:18, 18 February 2011 (CET)
- After reading the important part of the article, I can sum it up as: 1931-1939(40) Second Spanish Republic, In 1940 the next flag was introduced, Spain under Franco (first), 1940-1945, then came Spain under Franco, 1945-1977, and then, January 21, 1977-1981, it was a flag which I don't think is uploaded here, then 1981-present, we have Spain. Hopefully, I have understood it correctly, otherwise, I will make corrections. because I agree with Delboj4. Karl MAN 22:04, 18 February 2011 (CET)
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- However, it will be a big job change all flags. Something similiar there was with Egyptian flags. In fact, all issues categorized as Egyptian were printed in Egypt, but through history country has different names and flags, sometimes also territory (in "federation" with other countries). Delboj4 22:17, 18 February 2011 (CET)
- I think it would be good if we decided for which exact periods the different flags should be used and then also upload the missing one. Could we come to an agreement? And also, when an issue was published near a shift, but we don't know the date, what shall we do then? Karl MAN 18:52, 23 February 2011 (CET)
- However, it will be a big job change all flags. Something similiar there was with Egyptian flags. In fact, all issues categorized as Egyptian were printed in Egypt, but through history country has different names and flags, sometimes also territory (in "federation" with other countries). Delboj4 22:17, 18 February 2011 (CET)
In my opinion the flags should not be changed as the flags serve only as a small illustration of where a comic has been published. Not the history of Spain. For the former purpose the flag should be easily recognizable, the version most can recognize is probably the latest.
— [[User:Administrator]] ([[User talk:Username|<font size="1">talk</font>]]) 14:30, 7 March 2011 (CET)
- If we changed flags for other countries, for example Yugoslavia, I think that we should change all flags. Delboj4 14:38, 7 March 2011 (CET)
Cite
Cite is a extension that adds two parser hooks to MediaWiki, <ref> and <references/>; these operate together to add citations to pages.
I don't know if there is a big use for it but as other wikis uses I thought I better install it.
Usage example:
According to scientists, the Sun is pretty big.<ref>'''E. Miller, ''The Sun'', (New York: Academic Press, 2005), 23-5.</ref>
The Moon, however, is not so big.<ref>'''R. Smith, "Size of the Moon", ''Scientific American'', 46 (April 1978): 44-6.</ref>
== Notes == <br/>
<references/>
— [[User:Administrator]] ([[User talk:Username|<font size="1">talk</font>]]) 08:57, 22 February 2011 (CET)
Search tool difficulties
Not very easy to find the article concerning the 1961 tv pilot when using the Wiki search engine. The article is entitled "The Phantom (1961 TV pilot)" and in fact I only found it through Google with the following search demand: “Phantom Tv Pilot 1961”. There, the Schapter Wiki article was placed as the second result. Coming back to the Wiki, and strangely enough, when typing “TV” not any title matches / same failure with “1961 TV” or with “TV 1961” / even not better result with “PHANTOM TV 1961”… And it is finally when just typing «1961 » (something however less precise than the previous entries), that the mention "The Phantom (1961 TV pilot)" appears as the first “Page title matches” entry. Rather unusual but I suppose it is because the words (1961 TV pilot) are either written between brackets or the use of parentheses. Maybe a presentation like "The Phantom / 1961 TV pilot" (separating solidus) would be a easier help for finding the page? Alain03 14:38, 3 March 2011 (CET)
Part One or 1?
There are differences in some articles: story name is Part One or Part 1 and Part Two or Part 2. It must be same in all articles. Similiar problem with a few other stories. Delboj4 13:42, 27 February 2011 (CET)
- I agree that we must be able to decide a standard, also if there should be capital letters or not, but why did you start the discussion here? In my opinion, it belongs to PhantomWiki:Bandar Village or at PhantomWiki talk:Style Guide. Karl MAN 10:36, 28 February 2011 (CET)
- I had thought that discussion about some story should be separate. Ok, than we can move this to Bandar Village. Delboj4 11:05, 28 February 2011 (CET)
The Set Up
In "Best story" template exists link for story "The Set Up", but what contest should be putted in that link? That story was parted in two, there are links for "The Set Up, Part 1" and "The Set Up, Part 2"? Delboj4 14:07, 4 March 2011 (CET)
- Both parts were considered as one story for this vote, like "Curse of the Granite God" in Best story 1992 (Norway). So I guess both parts should be put in the template. Andreas 12:56, 5 March 2011 (CET)
Year or Christmas Albums?
Why Mustanaamio and Fantomet Albums have in the links name Year instead Christmas? Delboj4 22:21, 4 March 2011 (CET)
- Most of the Fantomet albums has the word 'Årsalbum' (Year album) on the cover, with (I think) 3 exceptions that has the word 'Julen' (Christmas), along with the year, on the cover. Some of the older swedish ones have 'Julen' on the cover, but nowadays it's mostly only the year itself. But they have always been referred to as 'Julalbum' (Christmas album) for the last 60 years or so. The finnish ones seems to mostly have only the year on the cover. --MiGi 00:48, 5 March 2011 (CET)
- OK, thanks for info. Delboj4 09:12, 5 March 2011 (CET)
1st of Team Fantomen stories
First publications of newer Team Fantomen stories usually was in Fantomet issues, sometimes in Frew. I think that all informations should be changed. I am not sure are all informations about Fantomet publication dates completely correct, but they were published before Fantomen issues. Delboj4 22:21, 4 March 2011 (CET)
- We have discussed that somewhere else, but I can't find that now. It is true that some TF stories sometimes had the first release date in Norway or Australia. However, they were still produced for Fantomen in Sweden, which is why we kept the Swedish issue as 1st publication. I think that if we look into the matter, Mustanaamio had the first release dates for many years too. So, yes we can change the 1st publication to the issue with the earliest official release date, but it should still be noted that the story was created for Fantomen and the others have translated their version from the original Fantomen version. Andreas 12:56, 5 March 2011 (CET)
- Than I don't know. Where put info about that? Delboj4 13:44, 5 March 2011 (CET)
- I like the way we are doing it now; you always know that you are to look for the first Swedish publication of a Team Fantomen story. Of course, I have to obey to what is decided, however, whatever we finally decide with, I think that we should continue with the way that we have done so far, to create as little confusion as possible, when we finally arrive at a decision and start making the according edits. Karl MAN 15:46, 7 March 2011 (CET)
Image on daily strip articles
What if for each daily story we uploaded the very first strip as an image for the Newspaper box (like I just did for The Slave Market of Mucar) instead of an aleatory panel? Or is it too small?
- I think it looks good, as long as we don't get in trouble using a strip with too high resolution. --MiGi 18:13, 6 March 2011 (CET)
I like it also but I think its too small. Maybe the Newspaper box could be changed or the whole article could be rearranged to accommodate a larger image. I like the way the IpComics site does that for each story you have and image of the first strip or page. It’s great for cross-referencing. When I want to find the origins of a story I’m reading I usually go to the IpComics site and by glancing at the first strip I usually solve my doubts. I find this wrong. I should be coming here! After all this is supposed to be the ultimate Phantom reference guide. About the copyright thing maybe we should put a copyright watermark over each image. But remember, we’ve been uploadind cover images for ages and these are also copryrighted material.
- The copyright information could be kept at the text that accompanies the file, I don't want nice images to be ruined by copyright watermarks!!! I would prefer if a panel that is relatively representative of the story is used, merely using the first panel may then in at least some cases be a bad idea. In some stories, there are also interesting panels that could be used to illustrate other articles, these might also work good in the story article. I am here remembering an advise from Wikipedia (or was it Seriewikin?) to upload images that could be used in several articles if possible. (P.S. You need to sign your edits in the Bandar Village so that we know who wrote them. Karl MAN 21:41, 6 March 2011 (CET)
- I think that would be better continue upload one panel from story, this doesn't look good, as far as I think. Delboj4 21:54, 6 March 2011 (CET)
Fantom-hefte prose stories
Some of Fantom-hefte issues included some short prose stories. I think that we should create new list for them, but where exactly? Delboj4 13:11, 7 March 2011 (CET)
Main page
Maybe the Main Page should have some template boxes at the bottom for Countries, Characters, People, etc... like the MandrakeWiki. It would make it much easier to go to the main articles instead of having to navigate thru all sorts of links to get to an article like we do at the moment. Lothar
- Good idea - countries template is added. We don't have templates for those other things, and I don't know if they can be done without becoming too huge? Andreas 00:47, 9 March 2011 (CET)
Templates can be collapsible like in this Beatles article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatles. So I don't think size would be a problem. Lothar
Kızılmaske
I am not sure, but I think that we will must rename these articles http://www.schapter.org/wiki/Category:K%C4%B1z%C4%B1lmaske_issues I have made a mistake when once write "serie" instead "series". But in that time I didn't know there were three series. Delboj4 23:33, 10 March 2011 (CET)
- I am fine with that, 126 moves to make, plus perhaps a couple of redirects for each that needs to be fixed. I am, however, uncertain what is grammatically correct; isn't it one serie, several series? or what is said in these circumstances? Karl MAN 12:40, 11 March 2011 (CET)
- Than I don't know. Someone who is sure about that what is correct should decide. However, we will must create tables for Issue overview. Delboj4 12:44, 11 March 2011 (CET)