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PLEASE NOTE: This is an archive of finished discussions from the Bandar Village. If you wish to bring up any of these questions again, please do it on the page for current Bandar Village discussion.

Log in problems

Whenever I try to log in, I come to a page headlined Internal Error and with the text:

Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; in LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.

What has happened? Karl MAN--130.236.60.36 18:06, 15 November 2007 (CET)

I can't log in to... Why? --85.231.225.254 15:16, 16 November 2007 (CET) (ERIK S)
Don't know yet... you may have to wait until after the weekend before we can solve the problem. But just keep editing as anonymous users until we fix it! :) Member 7 16:21, 16 November 2007 (CET)
If the problem persists, just keep editing as anonymous users. We are hoping that the problem will be solved when we update the wiki next time (which will be soon) - if the problem doesn't go away on its own. Member 7 14:07, 19 November 2007 (CET)
Are there still login problems? I see some users (i.e. Dougy) that seem to be able to log in while others just have an IP number. Member 7 09:14, 30 November 2007 (CET)
I still cannot log in. Karl MAN--130.236.60.35 14:05, 4 December 2007 (CET)
I still cannot log in /Erik s
The problem still exist. Karl MAN--130.236.60.32 13:43, 20 December 2007 (CET)
...and we can't really figure out what causes the problem. The things we have tried obviously haven't worked. Even more confusing is that some users (most recently PAJ) can log in. Member 7 16:10, 20 December 2007 (CET)
I have made a temporary solution by creating a new account. I then openly wrote at the personal page that I am the same as Karl MAN. I will not log out from this account if it is not necessary. Karl MAN--Karl MAN O 10:42, 31 January 2008 (CET)
Staying logged in seems to work. But we haven't been able to fix the real problem that keeps people from logging in again after being logged out. Those who have this problem, feel free to help us out and try to find out more about this problem. We're not experienced wiki-creators and have not been able to figure out the technicalities that cause this. Member 7 11:25, 31 January 2008 (CET)
It seems as if I must have logged out automatically, so I am simply back again. Karl MAN--130.236.60.36 15:38, 1 February 2008 (CET)

It seems my computer logged me out after a few days of non attendance so to post more images i have created another account--Dark Lord Xander2 02:49, 1 March 2008 (CET) This is getting a bit irritating my Internet dropped out for a minute and know i cannot log on again --Dark Lord Xander3 04:33, 1 March 2008 (CET)

It seems difficult to fix this problem with the current version. We hope that it will work itself out when we upgrade to a new version, which is something that we are planning to do soon. Maybe not within the next couple of months, but it's on the horizon Member 7 13:14, 1 March 2008 (CET)
I have once again been logged out, and this time when I was on the Internet. I first made a lot of stuff here, then I did other things on the Internet and when I got back to this page, I had logged out. Very irritating! I hope that the problem will be fixed soon. Karl MAN--130.236.60.37 19:56, 8 March 2008 (CET)

I have been logged out again and I suspect that there is some function that log people out after a given time. Had it not been that it is impossible for many people to log in, this would of course not have been any problem, now it is a little bit worse. Karl MAN--Karl MAN 3 16:47, 8 April 2008 (CEST)

As I mentioned previously, we believed that an upgrade woul solve this problem, and we were in the process of raising the funds for the upgrade. However, according to our support it seems that this problem may be a little more complicated and they don't know for sure that an upgrade will solve it. The support team is currently investigating the matter further - hopefully the solution will be found soon. Andreas 14:09, 24 April 2008 (CEST)

The problem is still in action, though it has worsened; I discovered that I had logged out today and created a new account, now I have been logged out from that too. If I try to log in, a different version of the text showing that something is wrong appeared. Karl MAN--Karl MAN 5 22:37, 12 May 2008 (CEST)

What is the error text now? Andreas 08:11, 13 May 2008 (CEST)

This is the text that appeared:(my password appear a couple of times in the tex, I have replaced it with [my password])

SingleSignOn: Token incomplete:[my password]

Backtrace:

  1. 0 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/includes/TinmwLogin.php(75): wfDebugDieBacktrace('SingleSignOn: T...')
  2. 1 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/includes/User.php(2250): TinmwLogin->authenticate('Karl MAN 5', '[my password]')
  3. 2 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/includes/SpecialUserlogin.php(377): User->checkPassword('[my password]')
  4. 3 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/includes/SpecialUserlogin.php(423): LoginForm->authenticateUserData()
  5. 4 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/includes/SpecialUserlogin.php(99): LoginForm->processLogin()
  6. 5 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/includes/SpecialUserlogin.php(17): LoginForm->execute()
  7. 6 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/includes/SpecialPage.php(653): wfSpecialUserlogin(NULL, Object(SpecialPage))
  8. 7 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/includes/SpecialPage.php(459): SpecialPage->execute(NULL)
  9. 8 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/includes/Wiki.php(201): SpecialPage::executePath(Object(Title))
  10. 9 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/includes/Wiki.php(45): MediaWiki->initializeSpecialCases(Object(Title), Object(OutputPage), Object(WebRequest))
  11. 10 /home/schapter/public_html/components/com_tinmw/index.php(89): MediaWiki->initialize(Object(Title), Object(OutputPage), Object(User), Object(WebRequest))
  12. 11 {main}

I have also been automatically logged out again. Karl MAN--130.236.60.37 15:48, 14 May 2008 (CEST)

It appears as if it takes a much shorter while to become logged out nowadays than before when it took about a month. Karl MAN--130.236.60.34 21:05, 15 May 2008 (CEST)

It might be the computers that I use though; I am using computers on which I have to log in, and sometimes, there have been made changes in what I am able to do, though I suppose that that cannot be the real explanation since others are having difficulties. Karl MAN--130.236.60.36 11:40, 20 May 2008 (CEST)

It seems that i am also no longer able to log in having recived the same new error message as the one above Dark Lord Xander4 --60.231.195.186 02:24, 24 May 2008 (CEST)

It seems that i have been magically logged back in --Dark Lord Xander4 08:17, 27 May 2008 (CEST)

It Seems that i have been logged out again but this time permanently however it probably happened at a good time as i was to busy to make any contributions due to mid year exams --58.166.231.63 04:43, 22 June 2008 (CEST) --Dark Lord Xander4

Well i am back and surprisingly still logged in Has the problem been fixed or am i just lucky ? Dark Lord Xander5 11:02, 21 July 2008 (CEST)

Unfortunately I can’t log in. Same problem as described by 130.236.60.37 on 14 May 2008. ALPHAN 171.18.2.101

Logged Out again -- Dark Lord Xander5 --144.137.199.149 09:55, 24 July 2008 (CEST)
Unfortunately I can't log again after having created a new account yesterday. It is always the same "internal error" page with the text already cited above on 14 May 2008. So I have modified an article (Italian publications) without being able to log in on the site. Too bad... I used Internet Explorer but I think it would be the same thing with Firefox-Mozilla (?). Alain 82.227.36.122 11:54, 3 January 2009 (CET)
If you create an account, then never log out or you won't be able to log in again during the current problems. It seems as if you could stay log-inned for a month before you are automatically logged out. Though the computers I currently use has made impossible to to even that. Best thing to do if you want to be credited is to create a new account, preferable the same name as the old account, though with a 2 after the name. If you are not automatically logged out after every visit to this site (like me), it is a good way to go. Karl MAN--130.236.60.35 16:45, 6 January 2009 (CET)

It seems that the log in problems are finally solved with the September 2009 new version; it's easy and pleasant to access to the site. Really great! I hope everyone can now log in the same way. Alain03 10:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Project Groups

An idea that i have thought about recently was an idea of project groups (borrowed from another wiki) were three or four people work together as a team to create articles for example creating articles on all Frew Issues or Team Fantomen Stories allowing large sections of the wiki to be created rather than a little bit here and there if anyone is interested i would provide more information on how this can work.

But basically you have a user subpage for your project page, list your objectives as to what you want to accomplish a list of members the pages the project would cover as well as dividing the tasks up between the group based on there knowledge and the time their willing to spend on it. The talk page is then used for member to talk to one another about articles, ideas and anything else related to the project

please tell me what you think --Dark Lord Xander3 06:03, 24 March 2008 (CET)

Project groups sure have been proven useful in other wikis, and there sure is no reason why it wouldn't do it on the PhWiki either :) The reason why it hasn't been introduced here is, I'm guessing, that the wiki is pretty much only starting up. But maybe it's time now...? Pjär 12:44, 24 March 2008 (CET)
Currently, there are about four users that do the main part of the work; Member 7, Member 37, Dark Lord Xander, and I, Karl MAN. Member 18 have began to contribute quite recently and will perhaps be as active in the future. This is about the size of a project group according to Dark Lord Xander. I personally feel a little bit skeptic about the idea since I do not want to committ myself to do anything but rather do something when I feel to do so. I have made articles for nearly all issues of Fantomen Krönika (some were made by ERIK S) and for several issues of Fantomen (Currently, I think for all issues between Fantomen 11/2002 and Fantomen 13/2006, 107 issues, plus a couple of others). I have also made articles for other stuff and went through the articles of the issues of The Phantom from FREW to add creators of the stories that are listed. I think this has worked rather well, Dark Lord Xander has uploaded covers for Fantomen Krönika and Fantomen issues and I have added the creators for the stories in the issues whose articles he has created, Member 7 and Member 37 has then made corrections and other things to refine some articles. I think that this way of working certainly works, I like the team working. Concerning making articles for issues, I would feel a little bit disturbed if I know that I had to put up articles for issues before a certain date and I would also feel uncomfortable if I know that someone else was supposed to do it, when I could do it. I would then hesitate to do it.
To summarize, currently the number of users who add articles are about the size of a big project group. I have other things to do and cannot guarrantee anything but like to add articles of Fantomen issues and would like to continue with that without having any pressure to finish something to a certain date and still not feeling as if I were doing someone else's job. Currently, I am happy with how we work and I am worried that project groups might change that in a negative way to me, though I might be mistaken. Karl MAN--Karl MAN 2 18:21, 25 March 2008 (CET)

Generally, I agree with Karl MAN. Although some sort of work schedule (with no time restriction, of course) might come in handy. Then again - as long as we are only a handful of contributors, I suspect we all have a pretty good idea of what's going on, who is doing what, etc. At the moment, the Wiki is pretty much a project group as such. :)

Then again - if Dark Lord Xander, or anyone else, wants to create a "to-do-list"/"action plan" etc. I'm sure it will come in handy.

With that said, I think that a bigger Community Portal would serve much of the purpose Xander is getting at. Most important to be included is a comprehensive list of useful links and other sources, as requested above.

Other things that I think will be helpful (that also pretty much was Xander's idea) in this respect are Category:Maintenance templates and Category:Articles in need, which helps us to get a good picture of individual articles that need a look or two. Pjär 02:17, 26 March 2008 (CET)

I stumbled across this without realizing that anyone had added to the conversation otherwise i would have replied sooner (i think its been over a month now sorry :) ) anyway as for a to do list i would be happy to organize one but where would i put it ?

I Suppose i could put a few ideas on a subpage on my Current userpage Dark Lord Xander4 which can be accessed here To Do List--Dark Lord Xander4 09:02, 16 April 2008 (CEST)

Country articles

I’d like to complete the article “The Phantom publications in France” but there is one term for which I don’t identify the exact context. It is "Anthology appearances". What kind of books or magazines must be cited under this particular category ? Is it used for only-written material (for example, one article about the Phantom in a book about history of comics) or for some kind of very specific series ? There was a French reprint, published in 1965 by a club collectors of comics in limited edition (“Le baron pirate”, editor CELEG). I rather believe that book is to place under the “one-shots” heading (?) Alain (also previously nicknamed "Alphan") 171.18.2.109 13:06, 8 December 2008 (CET)

An anthology includes comics, but it features several different comics and none of the comics is a main comic. One example is Comics_-_Den_stora_serieboken_1 which includes 20 different comics in one volume, but none of these comics is the "star" of the book. The book you mention sounds more like a one-shot, since it was published with only one volume and The Phantom is the main comic in this book. Andreas 14:14, 8 December 2008 (CET)
Thanks for your very clear reply. Now I best understand what is the "Anthology appearances" category when apply to a book. To the best of my knowledge and as far as The Phantom is concerned, there were no such books in France, contrary to Mandrake the Magician. Alain. 171.18.2.109 14:48, 8 December 2008 (CET)

Websites

Would be a good idea or not to have also some short articles on the main web sites or blogs which are or have been totally or partly consacred to The Phantom (I think for instance to Deepwoods.org, The Comics project, Books and Comics, The Phantom Head, and so on...), just for keeping memory of them and in order to pay hommage to their creators ? 193.253.253.129 13:14, 24 September 2008 (CEST)

Definetely a good idea, and PhantomWiki is already prepared for that with the Websites category, which is part of the Phandom category which also includes a category for notable Phantom fans. Feel free to start adding content to these categories. We have not done much there so you could help establish the look of these articles. Andreas 16:31, 24 September 2008 (CEST)

Individual issues linking

We are starting to get quite a big library of indexed issues. (Great work everyone!) There are some crucial info missed in just about every one of these articles: links to the publication (for issues of serialized titles), the country and the cover. We ought to decide how to include this as soon as possible. There was some discussion at Talk:Fantomen 4/2007, and currently Fantomen 4/2007 is linked (to Fantomen, The Phantom publications in Sweden and Fantomen 4/2007 cover). Is the manner of including these links OK? Can we start putting up corresponding links in every issue article, or is there any problem with the way it looks at the moment? Pjär 14:50, 18 April 2008 (CEST)

Yes, now that we have a lot of different issues listed should definetely decide on a fixed look for the issue articles (better late than never). To me it looks good like this, only question is if the name of the series should be added to the template instead. Andreas 19:16, 18 April 2008 (CEST)
At every story article, the issues in which the stories has been published look like this: Fantomen 4/2007, and in some issue articles the issue is written like this: Fantomen 4/2007, for some reason, it has not become like this in the majority of issue articles, (It is much more common that it is written Fantomen 4/2007) but I suggest that it should be made like that, i.e. Fantomen 4/2007, in all issue articles. Karl MAN 18:20, 21 April 2008 (CEST)
You bring up a very good point. I have been thinking about starting a PhantomWiki:Style Guide where all such formatting questions could be dealt with. Andreas 20:10, 21 April 2008 (CEST)
A guide how to write the articles are becoming more and more crucial (which is natural, of course). Are you up to get it started? Pjär 14:16, 22 April 2008 (CEST)

Covers

How should we note covers that are based on artwork taken directly from a story? We have a few variants used right now, for example "from comic strip" or "from interior art". Andreas 23:07, 20 April 2008 (CEST)

Welll... actually, neither is really good :/ "from interior art" doesn't apply to covers with art taken from stories not included in that particular publication (Which are quite a few), and "from comic strip" doesn't really work when the picture is taken from a magazine. I'd say "from story art" is the best. It could also be used to link to the specific story (e.g. from story art) Pjär 23:32, 20 April 2008 (CEST)
That phrase sounds best so far. I don't know if we need to link to the story from the issue article though. These "copy covers" can also be given separate cover articles where information about where the artwork originally appeared can be mentioned. Andreas 23:51, 20 April 2008 (CEST)

I don't think that if the art is recreated from another issue that it needs to be mentioned on the issue page if we are going to keep creating Cover Art Articles but in the case of Frew and perhaps some others where it is copied from the interior Art and no credit is given to any author then the name of the story artist should be used --Dark Lord Xander4 02:37, 22 April 2008 (CEST)

Feature Articles

I Propose that by the time we reach either 4000 or 5000 articles we have five or so Articles up to feature stage to display on the main page like other wiki's do at the moment the closest article that i know of is The Singh Brotherhood and a few of the Story pages Such as The Phantom vs Singh 2050 but they still have a way to go. anyone have any thoughts on this ?? --Dark Lord Xander4 09:25, 25 April 2008 (CEST)

I've been thinking about this too, and besides Featured Article I thought we could have something like "Issue of the week", "Character of the Month" or something like that. I don't think that the number of articles alone should determine when to get this started though. We have to make sure we have a number of articles that deserve to be "Featured", i.e. complete (or near complete), with images, references etc. Andreas 11:10, 25 April 2008 (CEST)
I Know i was just using the 4000 / 5000 articles to give us plenty of time :) the "Issue of the week" / "Character of the Month" thing could be good especially if we incorporate it into the main page --Dark Lord Xander4 11:34, 25 April 2008 (CEST)
"Featured articles" etc. will definitely be a great addition when we come to it! As both of you say, it will also improve the Main page a lot. I also agree with you that before getting there, there is quite a lot more to be made. For example, I think that the new PhantomWiki:Style Guide will come in handy when it comes to improve the articles as much as possible. Generally, it is great to see how the PhantomWiki has grown extensive over the last six month. :D Pjär 14:20, 29 April 2008 (CEST)

Protected pages etc

I've just full protected several pages (see Special:Protectedpages for the complete list). I just wanna make clear that the reason for this isn't that I think that these pages will be damaged if not protected, but rather as a step on the way to make the structure of the PhWikimore clearer. When the login-problems are solved, we can get around using the different levels of protection, as well as open up for more people to be promoted administrators etc.

Anyhow - I hope the discussions regarding the protected pages keep on going. Protection does not mean that the articles are perfect.

I also wanna ask about the suggestion template I created some time ago. My thought was to have this template included in every new PhantomWiki guidance page etc. during the first couple or weeks or so, in order for everyone to comment on it, edit it and improve it. When a couple of weeks have gone, the discussion hopefully has settled, the suggestion template is to be removed, the page becomes officially accepted as PhWiki guidance and the page is to be locked for anyone but Admins.

Does this sound like a fair procedure? Pjär 14:34, 29 April 2008 (CEST)

I think its good that important pages have some level of protection --Dark Lord Xander4 10:08, 30 April 2008 (CEST)

PhantomWiki:SysOps

Please check out this page about SysOps, and express your opinions and suggestions on the talk page of the article. Pjär 15:46, 29 April 2008 (CEST)

Great to see an Admin Page set up good work --Dark Lord Xander4 10:10, 30 April 2008 (CEST)

Feature Article Project Page

Since talk has begun about creating feature articles i think it's time to create a Phanwiki page for Feature Article guidelines and nominations see here for examples Feature Articles and Nominations

what are your thoughts on the matter --Dark Lord Xander4 04:24, 3 May 2008 (CEST)

I definitely think that guidelines are vital for the matter. However - in order to write the guidelines, we have to first complete the PhantomWiki:Style Guide.
As of a nominations, that would logically have to wait until we know what articles to nominate, ie. have any guidelines to go by.
In other words - the first step towards a proper feature article procedure is, IMO, to expand the PhantomWiki:Style Guide. Pjär 14:20, 4 May 2008 (CEST)

I See what your saying so once the style guide is complete we can work on Feature article guidelines and by the time these two pages are finished some articles should be about ready --Dark Lord Xander4 08:19, 5 May 2008 (CEST)

Yeah - that would be the best way imo Pjär 12:34, 5 May 2008 (CEST)

I am Not Sure what else can be added to the Style Guide so i suggest we think about making the PhantomWiki:Feature Article Nominations page as a Few Character articles such as Sala and Issue articles such as The Phantom vs Singh 2050 are almost complete mainly needing only images --Dark Lord Xander4 08:44, 10 May 2008 (CEST)

after seeing Member 7's additions to the Style Guide i see that there is still plenty to do on it --Dark Lord Xander4 10:48, 10 May 2008 (CEST)

Statistics

I was wondering if there was a way to edit the statistics page to make it look more ordered and official see Example here --Dark Lord Xander4 08:35, 13 May 2008 (CEST)

New Template

Looking at the tyrant of Tarakimo and articles related to that do not meet our style guidelines so i think it's time to create a template for articles such as these which need to be fixed up --Dark Lord Xander4 11:24, 16 May 2008 (CEST)

I agree. Karl MAN--130.236.60.36 12:51, 23 May 2008 (CEST)

Your ideas on style strike many of us as strange since they seem to promote typographical errors, run-on sentences (such as yours above) grammatical inconsistencies, and non-descriptive boring prose. Oh, but please...write on Xander....you are well on your way to completely ruining this site. The ability to write cannot be learned. You either have the talent or you don't. Recongnize your limitations and stop taking out your anger and frustration on those who can.

Who are "many of us"? Even if you can't log in, please add a signature instead of posting anonymously. Even more important, you seem to have missed the rule to keep a friendly tone (see top of page) - something I've never seen Xander do, by the way. Furthermore, several of us have (non-anonymously) objected to the writing style of these articles (see Talk:Return_to_Tarakimo). The problem isn't the grammar or typographical errors but the whole style of these articles. They are written more like essays, with comments and analysis, and unnecessarily long plot summaries. As I've said before, I appreciate the hard work but this is not the place for it.
And finally, Xander's contributions are much appreciated by me at least. I wish there were more like him joining in here, then things would definetely move a lot faster. With so few of us working on the wiki it comes to a halt sometimes when all/most of us happend to be busy doing other things at the same time. Andreas 12:49, 13 July 2008 (CEST)
Wow missed a whole conversation Dark Lord Xander5 11:00, 21 July 2008 (CEST)

A Wifes of the Phantom category

I would want to suggest that a subcategory of historical characters be created in which all the women who has married the Phantom are listed. It could be named either Category:Wifes of the Phantom or Category:Wifes of the Phantoms. Karl MAN--130.236.60.36 12:51, 23 May 2008 (CEST)

This conversation is already in existence see Category talk:Historical Characters Dark Lord Xander4 --60.231.195.186 02:30, 24 May 2008 (CEST)

Best Cover Template

We have a lot of cover articles by now. There exists already a template for best stories of the Team Fantomen production, Template:Beststory, now I suggest that a template would be created for the best covers of the Team Fantomen production. Karl MAN--130.236.60.35 21:51, 1 September 2008 (CEST)

Agreed, although I think that the Best Cover articles would benefit if we could get more cover scans to go with the articles. I haven's started a template yet, but I did take a shot at a result article, namely Best Fantomen cover 2007. I only did the first 10, maybe someone else has a better idea on how to organize it? It's gonna be a very loooong article if we show all 26 covers, although I think that we really should show them all somehow. Andreas 20:16, 6 September 2008 (CEST)

Altered covers

There are some covers that have been slightly altered, should these covers be listed under the "Reprints" section or should a "Altered Reprints" section be created? Two examlpes are Fantomen 1/2000 cover and Fantomen 19/2000 cover; in both cases the covers appears to have been too daring to the indian public and therefore altered in different ways to avoid too much nudity. Sy Barry - en jubileumskrönika 1961-1991 cover is another example of altered covers. In the case of Fantomen 1/2000 cover the alteration might not be seen if it is not pointed out. Somehow, I think that these alterations should be mentioned. Karl MAN--130.236.60.34 14:06, 1 October 2008 (CEST)

Good question. My original intention for the cover articles was to show every instance where the cover artwork had been used (altered and not) in one big gallery, and then mention specific differences in the text of the article. But maybe it is easier to lift out the really big changes to a separate gallery. I don't know yet what I think would look best. By the way, I hadn't even noticed that the Fantomen 1/2000 cover was edited in India - I guess I was looking at the Tiger instead of the Girl ;) Andreas 14:45, 1 October 2008 (CEST)
I think that one section should be sufficient for changes like this as long as it is mentioned on the page somewhere Dark Lord Xander6 09:40, 7 October 2008 (CEST)

Cover Templates

The use of cover templates have already been a little bit discussed at Template talk:Frew Cover, but now I am wondering if similar templates to the Frew cover-template might get created? If so, should Egmont and Semic covers be divided according to country; Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark, and then a special for those published outside Scandinavia? Moonstone would then get one category, Bastei would get one category and so on. Any different ideas? Karl MAN--130.236.60.35 17:01, 21 October 2008 (CEST)

Glad you brought it up, I had forgotten about the previous discussion. I don't agree that covers are normally different from publisher to publisher, as it was brought up in that discussion. Our cover articles clearly show (and will show even more in the future) that even covers have been reused just as frequently as stories over the years by various publishers. To keep things simple, I suggest one template for covers (like Template:Comicpanel is used for all comic panels) instead of trying to figure out how to best divide covers by country or publisher. Andreas 17:12, 21 October 2008 (CEST)
Since most covers (there is a couple of exceptions) have names that makes them automatically sort at least together with the other covers that has been published in the same comic book, I think it could work fairly well. One of my main concern is otherwise that the covers might be with no order what so ever, but hopefully, there will be enough order. The current Frew cover category makes nearly all covers come chronologically, which gives a quite good overview of them. Karl MAN--130.236.60.35 17:27, 21 October 2008 (CEST)
We could still have separate categories for the covers if that feels useful, but the point of keeping only one template is that if we need to revise the text in the template, we don't have to change it 30+ times. The categories would have to be added manually, but at least that is no more work than adding separate templates for each image. Andreas 17:30, 21 October 2008 (CEST)
Then I vote for giving each publication its own category of covers, but only use one template. Most publications could quite easy get a category name without too much debate, the little bit harder like those published in Eastern Europe, are very few and there won't be too many covers to change the category name in. Karl MAN--130.236.60.37 14:59, 31 October 2008 (CET)
I did some experiments, basically I thought we could try to keep the Frew template so we wouldn't have to redo all Frew covers that are already tagged. But then I added some more variables to organize the artist, issue and publisher info a bit. In that case we still would have to redo all Frew images. Anyway, look at [[Image:Phantom974.jpg]] to see what I've done. Andreas 01:44, 1 November 2008 (CET)

I think each publisher should have its own template so they are credited for their work an the rights they hold over the property is recognized it would be easy to do by just copying the Frew template and changing the names (and perhaps the colour of the template) I think Andres Idea is ok but time consuming to list artist and publisher on each image when it will be in the article the cover is used on however if someone is prepared to do it im ok with it Dark Lord Xander7 07:52, 1 November 2008 (CET)

There are not that many covers of which we do know the artist; Lemos has some 120 covers, Ford less, and Chattu very few among those listed here. Anyone could go through their galleries and fix their covers, copy-paste-style. Those covers with unknown artist could also easily get the publisher's name. Karl MAN--130.236.60.34 17:27, 3 November 2008 (CET)
The time consuming thing appear to be to change what issue the cover belong to. I have been think some, and why not just create different templates for the different publishers and then add the info in the template, and also some general template, which might be modified according to our will, like it was done with the Sweden-template and all the other country templates and the attached countries to these templates. ::Example on how we can do: the Danish Fantomet, the template is called "Fantomet Denmark cover", at the top it is written
This is a cover of the Danish Phantom comic book Fantomet, it was published by Interpresse during 1971-1994 (#1-#358) and by Egmont during 1998-1999 (#359-#369).
Then we add a general cover template, preferable called "cover", that explains about copyright and fair use.
This way would make it easier, then if someone has the mental strength, he (or she) may add at the to what exact issue the cover is from and what artist it was who did it. I think that the amount of work needed is about the same as the earlier suggestion, if someone want to have issue information, and a lot less we do without. In my view, issue- and artist information is somewhat unnecessary as they will appear in the issue article, and if I am to add a cover template at 203 issues of Fantomet (Denmark), I don't want to change the issue number constantly, plus the artist occasionally. The same goes for the Fantomen covers and other stuff. Any reflections on my ideas? Karl MAN--130.236.60.34 22:43, 28 April 2009 (CEST)
This will of course create a lot of templates, but I think that by having Template:Cover as a general template, most changes could be done in that. Karl MAN--130.236.60.36 11:58, 29 April 2009 (CEST)
I might add that I have a feeling that very few will feel that they have time enough to add templates at all, having an easy concept from the start will certainly give us higher chances of having it done. Karl MAN--130.236.60.36 13:16, 29 April 2009 (CEST)
If no one protests, then I will start creating the tempates and adding them within a week or so. Karl MAN--130.236.60.35 22:57, 14 May 2009 (CEST)
From your example above, it seems you plan to create new templates for each series (Fantomet etc.). I think that will be more work than needed. There will be literally hundreds of templates dedicated to the covers if we create one for each series. The Template: Cover takes care of the most necessary, i.e. the legal copyright disclaimer. To add information regarding artist, original issue and publisher is a bonus. Andreas 09:54, 15 May 2009 (CEST)
I agree that those are a bonus, but since Xander has had the idea that each publisher should be credited, I put forward this proposal so that whatever we decide, later it would be rather easy to make corrections, only having one Cover template could cause problem if we later decide to also include publisher.
But if no one disagree, I would feel fine to only use one cover template. Karl MAN--130.236.60.36 16:00, 15 May 2009 (CEST)
I two would be fine to use a single cover template (one would be better than the current situation of having none) however i still feel that the larger series should have there own template for the publisher I.E Frew, Egmont etc. should have there own template. Dark Lord Xander --121.220.152.40 12:07, 16 May 2009 (CEST)
In my opinion, there should be an automatic categorizing of all images that get the cover template into some "Covers" category. Currently, there are a Frew covers category in which the Frew covers are categorized. I suggest that it will be merged with a general covers category. Karl MAN--130.236.60.33 17:55, 21 May 2009 (CEST)
really there is no such thing as automatic categorizing of images (has to be put on the template) that would also lead to problems as categories are meant to help people navigate through the wiki so if i want to find covers from a single publication i have that in frew covers which should be a subcategory of covers. the same for every other publication because less categories is not necessarily better. This way it allows easy navigation around images so if you want to use the single cover template then the category will need to be added seperatly Dark Lord Xander --121.220.136.218 06:41, 22 May 2009 (CEST)

Text stories

In Le Fantôme Spécial 92 there is a text story about the Phantom: "L’opération "Arche de Noé" I suggest that text stories about the Phantom will be given their own articles, just as normal stories have their articles. Karl MAN--130.236.60.37 17:12, 5 November 2008 (CET)

Maybe it's also worth to notice that in this kind of stuff -only text story- there are also such books as the one written by Stefano Bandera entitled "L'Ombra che cammina" (Italy 1994, editor Franco Panini)...171.18.2.82 17:26, 5 November 2008 (CET)
Yeah, in Sweden there has been published a couple of pockets with Phantom text stories. I think that some of them actually was written by Lee Falk himself. Karl MAN--130.236.60.37 18:15, 5 November 2008 (CET)
Text stories should definetely have their own articles. The Moonstone prose stories are examples of this. The stories from Le Fantôme Spécial 92 are technically Fratelli Spada stories I believe, since they probably were first published in Italy. Andreas 22:36, 5 November 2008 (CET)
I Agree the text stories should have their own articles Dark Lord Xander7 23:54, 5 November 2008 (CET)

Talk page recent changes

I am posting this discussion here as I do not know of any other place where it would fit.

I have been feeling for a while that editions to talkpages, i.e. discussions, tend to disappear among other edits. If I am doing a lot of edits, and then suddenly feels a need to ask something on an article, I edit the talkpage of the article and then continues to edit, sometimes it feels like I might do 20-30 more edits, then the talk is rather a lot down the list in "Recent changes", plus someone who actually reads it might not know the answer at the moment, and later have no strength to search for the talkpage.

Hence, I would prefer if there was a separate "Recent changes" list for all the talkpages. Talkpages are not edited that often so it would be easier to follow the discussions then on topics that actually fit somewhere, unlike the Bandar Village. I realise that this might be hard to accomplish, but I feel the need to voice my opinion. Karl MAN--130.236.60.33 23:37, 15 March 2009 (CET)

  • This Feature already exists on the recent changes by selecting the dropdown list at the top of the Recent chanes page next to Name space and chose talk will display only edits to talk pages User:Dark Lord Xander --58.167.207.243 08:01, 16 March 2009 (CET)
Thanks! I can only hope that people use it. Karl MAN--130.236.60.35 18:16, 16 March 2009 (CET)